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I had it in a pot and it did quite well for two seasons, but died one winter. Ice blocked the drainage hole and the poor thing drowned. It is a disease prone rose here in 6b NJ and the reason I put it in a big pot was for better air circulation. I have stopped growing roses in pots now as they invariably drown in winter

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Reply to: I had it in a pot and it did quite well for two seasons, but died one winter. Ice blocked the drainage hole and the poor thing drowned. It is a disease prone rose here in 6b NJ and the reason I put it in a big pot was for better air circulation. I have stopped growing roses in pots now as they invariably drown in winter

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

Rekha Sugar Moon doesn’t have issues with heat, it just takes a long time between flushes, and isn’t as profuse as some others. If you want tons of blooms and a good scent, go with PJPII. If you are OK with fewer blooms in exchange for extraordinary scent, get Sugar Moon. Sugar Moon PJP Lol these pics don’t illustrate either of my points, but PJP blooms a lot more, SM is much more impressively scented. Speaking of wafting, below is Winter Honeysuckle , a most impressively scented shrub that even fills my garage with the sweetest scent of lemon and honeysuckle. It’s scientific name, Lonicera Fragrantissma and all its wonderful colloquial names, 'Sweetest Honeysuckle' and' First Breath of Spring' , and 'Kiss Me at the Gate', "January Jasmine' all evoke its extraordinary scent. It blooms in Jan for me when everything else looks dead. There is also this Bearded Iris Absolute Treasure that will out waft any rose, I can smell it anywhere in the rosebed

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Reply to: Rekha Sugar Moon doesn’t have issues with heat, it just takes a long time between flushes, and isn’t as profuse as some others. If you want tons of blooms and a good scent, go with PJPII. If you are OK with fewer blooms in exchange for extraordinary scent, get Sugar Moon. Sugar Moon PJP Lol these pics don’t illustrate either of my points, but PJP blooms a lot more, SM is much more impressively scented. Speaking of wafting, below is Winter Honeysuckle , a most impressively scented shrub that even fills my garage with the sweetest scent of lemon and honeysuckle. It’s scientific name, Lonicera Fragrantissma and all its wonderful colloquial names, 'Sweetest Honeysuckle' and' First Breath of Spring' , and 'Kiss Me at the Gate', "January Jasmine' all evoke its extraordinary scent. It blooms in Jan for me when everything else looks dead. There is also this Bearded Iris Absolute Treasure that will out waft any rose, I can smell it anywhere in the rosebed

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

Agree with Hugogurll, that new Life of the Party is the fragrance bomb! Fragrance is very important to me, and this new little floribunda is threatening Fragrant Cloud, Double Delight and Neil Diamond for the crown.

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Reply to: Agree with Hugogurll, that new Life of the Party is the fragrance bomb! Fragrance is very important to me, and this new little floribunda is threatening Fragrant Cloud, Double Delight and Neil Diamond for the crown.

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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw

For me it is Memorial day. It is one that stops me in my tracks.

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Reply to: For me it is Memorial day. It is one that stops me in my tracks.

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fragrance. Isn't MD offered as a tree rose somewhere?

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strawchicago z5

weekendgardener: I have Mary Magdalene as own-root since 2011. I planted the tiny own-root right smack into my thick heavy clay and it's the best bloomer in my experience with 120 varieties of own-root roses. :Potting soil is too light for own-root-shrub roses. That's how own-root William Morris and St. Cecelia died on me: I kept it too long in the pot and roots could not get solid enough to survive my zone 5a winter (after transferring them into the ground). With growing roses in pots, they develop thicker & more woody & solid root if I mix 1/2 potting soil with bagged compost, plus gypsum. Bagged compost here is a bit of cow manure and mostly black clay or black peat (very dense & heavy), so gypsum is added to help with drainage. In 5 months, a band size can grow to 2-gallon solid root with that approach, along with topping with Rose-Tone once a month, and weekly diluted SOLUBLE fertilizer. Solid soil = solid root, fluffy soil = wimpy root. :Potting soil alone is too fluffy & light to produce solid root for Austin roses' zillion petals. Bouquet this Sept. with mostly Austin roses, they like my heavy clay.

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Reply to: weekendgardener: I have Mary Magdalene as own-root since 2011. I planted the tiny own-root right smack into my thick heavy clay and it's the best bloomer in my experience with 120 varieties of own-root roses. :Potting soil is too light for own-root-shrub roses. That's how own-root William Morris and St. Cecelia died on me: I kept it too long in the pot and roots could not get solid enough to survive my zone 5a winter (after transferring them into the ground). With growing roses in pots, they develop thicker & more woody & solid root if I mix 1/2 potting soil with bagged compost, plus gypsum. Bagged compost here is a bit of cow manure and mostly black clay or black peat (very dense & heavy), so gypsum is added to help with drainage. In 5 months, a band size can grow to 2-gallon solid root with that approach, along with topping with Rose-Tone once a month, and weekly diluted SOLUBLE fertilizer. Solid soil = solid root, fluffy soil = wimpy root. :Potting soil alone is too fluffy & light to produce solid root for Austin roses' zillion petals. Bouquet this Sept. with mostly Austin roses, they like my heavy clay.

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strawchicago z5

katy: The scent is strong lemon, worth buying. The repeat is great. I have 2 Lavender crush, one in full sun, the other in partial shade (less than 4 hrs. of morning sun) .. and both bloom equally well, but the partial shade's blooms last longer on the bush. After 2 weeks of heavy rain, cold temp. down to 50 F, plus strong wind, both LC (grafted on Dr.Huey) are 100% healthy, zero black-spots as of today, Oct 6. & lots of blooms. But my Pink Peace and Double Delight (grafted on Dr.Huey) lost most of their leaves. LC has very large leaves, so it can take heavy wet clay well. ac91z6: Dr.Huey-rootstock is aggressive enough for heavy clay since it's long & thick woody stick that can go through my rock-hard clay better than my shovel. Dr. Huey is best for roses that DO NOT REQUIRE MUCH WATER, Dr. Huey can sit for months at the store without drying out. A friend in Texas moved and she left roses-grafted-on Dr.Huey for days in hot sun, and they are still alive. Multiflora is a cluster & shallow root with more branching, best for high-rain climate or roses that demand lots of water. Multiflora has branching & THINNER roots, thus does better in loamy & fluffy soil. Water-hog climber like Nahema does better on multiflora than on Dr.Huey. Kelly in zone 4, MN, stated that her own-root-Nahema blooms better than Nahema-on-Dr.Huey. Dr. Huey DOES NOT branch well, thus it's one-cane wonder after a harsh winter. A friend has Nahema (climber) grafted on multiflora and it's blooming well. My own-root Nahema required lots of acidic rain water before blooming. Note that Regan nursery put certain roses on multiflora, such as Austin rose A Shopshire Lad (a climber) for more branching. My ASL is almost THORNLESS own-root and need lots of acidic rain. Multiflora-rootstock is best for loamy soil with lots of acidic rain. I have 3 Comte de Chambord: 2 own-root and 1 grafted-on-multiflora. The Comte on multiflora needs WAY MORE more acidic-rain to bloom, but gives MUCH LESS blooms than the own-root. Comte is drought-tolerant, no need to be grafted on water-hog-multiflora. Regan nursery in dry & alkaline CA put 99% of their hybrid teas on Dr.Huey-rootstock, except for a few vigorous own-root. The problem with multiflora-rootstock: it's sensitive to salt, need lots of acidic rain, plus the roots are thinner and can't handle heavy-clay like big-fat-Dr.Huey. Big-fat-Dr.Huey is a real-pain to kill. I once spent 1 1/2 hr. in hot summer killing Dr.Huey rootstock and found its roots extending 4 feet away to steal water from my prized annual flowers. I spend 1 hour digging deep for drainage since Dr.Huey likes it well-drained & barely moist & alkaline, and HATES poor-drainage wet-clay. For that reason I prefer own-roots: more branching & no need to dig 3 feet deep & smaller bush that requires less water and fertilizer.

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Reply to: katy: The scent is strong lemon, worth buying. The repeat is great. I have 2 Lavender crush, one in full sun, the other in partial shade (less than 4 hrs. of morning sun) .. and both bloom equally well, but the partial shade's blooms last longer on the bush. After 2 weeks of heavy rain, cold temp. down to 50 F, plus strong wind, both LC (grafted on Dr.Huey) are 100% healthy, zero black-spots as of today, Oct 6. & lots of blooms. But my Pink Peace and Double Delight (grafted on Dr.Huey) lost most of their leaves. LC has very large leaves, so it can take heavy wet clay well. ac91z6: Dr.Huey-rootstock is aggressive enough for heavy clay since it's long & thick woody stick that can go through my rock-hard clay better than my shovel. Dr. Huey is best for roses that DO NOT REQUIRE MUCH WATER, Dr. Huey can sit for months at the store without drying out. A friend in Texas moved and she left roses-grafted-on Dr.Huey for days in hot sun, and they are still alive. Multiflora is a cluster & shallow root with more branching, best for high-rain climate or roses that demand lots of water. Multiflora has branching & THINNER roots, thus does better in loamy & fluffy soil. Water-hog climber like Nahema does better on multiflora than on Dr.Huey. Kelly in zone 4, MN, stated that her own-root-Nahema blooms better than Nahema-on-Dr.Huey. Dr. Huey DOES NOT branch well, thus it's one-cane wonder after a harsh winter. A friend has Nahema (climber) grafted on multiflora and it's blooming well. My own-root Nahema required lots of acidic rain water before blooming. Note that Regan nursery put certain roses on multiflora, such as Austin rose A Shopshire Lad (a climber) for more branching. My ASL is almost THORNLESS own-root and need lots of acidic rain. Multiflora-rootstock is best for loamy soil with lots of acidic rain. I have 3 Comte de Chambord: 2 own-root and 1 grafted-on-multiflora. The Comte on multiflora needs WAY MORE more acidic-rain to bloom, but gives MUCH LESS blooms than the own-root. Comte is drought-tolerant, no need to be grafted on water-hog-multiflora. Regan nursery in dry & alkaline CA put 99% of their hybrid teas on Dr.Huey-rootstock, except for a few vigorous own-root. The problem with multiflora-rootstock: it's sensitive to salt, need lots of acidic rain, plus the roots are thinner and can't handle heavy-clay like big-fat-Dr.Huey. Big-fat-Dr.Huey is a real-pain to kill. I once spent 1 1/2 hr. in hot summer killing Dr.Huey rootstock and found its roots extending 4 feet away to steal water from my prized annual flowers. I spend 1 hour digging deep for drainage since Dr.Huey likes it well-drained & barely moist & alkaline, and HATES poor-drainage wet-clay. For that reason I prefer own-roots: more branching & no need to dig 3 feet deep & smaller bush that requires less water and fertilizer.

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strawchicago z5

I did check HMF for pic. of climbing Lavender Crush, and a nice pic. of blooming everywhere, rather on top is posted by Justin12, see link below: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.310719 I wish mine behaves like that !! The type of soil and root-stock grafted has a factor on branching habit. Mine is grafted-on-Dr.Huey, and roses grafted on Dr.Huey (one long tap-root) tend to be tall & bloom at the top, versus roses grafted on Fortuniana-roostock (a spreading root with many branches). I had seen pics. of roses grafted on Fortunian-rootstock, more branching and more blooms. So if your rose is grafted on Fortuniana and in a climate with more sun, there will be more blooming everywhere, rather than at the top. The type of soil plays a factor in branching. I have heavy clay, and phosphorus mobility is limited in heavy clay, thus LESS BRANCHING. But someone else with sandy soil will have more phosphorus available, thus MORE BRANCHING, and more blooms everywhere, rather than on top. Phosphorus is needed for branching of stem, and less available with higher pH-tap water. I once visited local rose park when it was near 100 degree & 2 weeks of drought. Roses were watered with alkaline tap water, pH near 9, and all roses got so tall, with one or two blooms AT THE TOP. " Dr. McFadden budded two hybrid tea varieties, Queen Elizabeth and Tiffany, onto three different rootstocks. After counting the number of blooms ... fortuniana plants produced about THREE TIMES the number of blooms as those on multiflora and TWICE as many as on Dr. Huey." Below pic. is my Lavender Crush in its 1st year. Now it's a tall mess, I SHOULD HAD PRUNED it short in August. Own-root does have better branching than grafted-on-Dr.Huey. I have 2 Pink Peace, the own-root is cute & round & more branching, but the Pink-peace grafted on Dr.Huey is twice taller & leggy, and blooms on top only.

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Reply to: I did check HMF for pic. of climbing Lavender Crush, and a nice pic. of blooming everywhere, rather on top is posted by Justin12, see link below: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.310719 I wish mine behaves like that !! The type of soil and root-stock grafted has a factor on branching habit. Mine is grafted-on-Dr.Huey, and roses grafted on Dr.Huey (one long tap-root) tend to be tall & bloom at the top, versus roses grafted on Fortuniana-roostock (a spreading root with many branches). I had seen pics. of roses grafted on Fortunian-rootstock, more branching and more blooms. So if your rose is grafted on Fortuniana and in a climate with more sun, there will be more blooming everywhere, rather than at the top. The type of soil plays a factor in branching. I have heavy clay, and phosphorus mobility is limited in heavy clay, thus LESS BRANCHING. But someone else with sandy soil will have more phosphorus available, thus MORE BRANCHING, and more blooms everywhere, rather than on top. Phosphorus is needed for branching of stem, and less available with higher pH-tap water. I once visited local rose park when it was near 100 degree & 2 weeks of drought. Roses were watered with alkaline tap water, pH near 9, and all roses got so tall, with one or two blooms AT THE TOP. " Dr. McFadden budded two hybrid tea varieties, Queen Elizabeth and Tiffany, onto three different rootstocks. After counting the number of blooms ... fortuniana plants produced about THREE TIMES the number of blooms as those on multiflora and TWICE as many as on Dr. Huey." Below pic. is my Lavender Crush in its 1st year. Now it's a tall mess, I SHOULD HAD PRUNED it short in August. Own-root does have better branching than grafted-on-Dr.Huey. I have 2 Pink Peace, the own-root is cute & round & more branching, but the Pink-peace grafted on Dr.Huey is twice taller & leggy, and blooms on top only.

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Strawchicago, about soil, rootstock, phosphorus availability and rose branching

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Austin

Ben Golden Cele in spring, of course. Don’t they all look good in spring, so glad we have one each year

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Reply to: Ben Golden Cele in spring, of course. Don’t they all look good in spring, so glad we have one each year

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'Golden Celebration' on an obelisk

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

Dylan I’m sorry about all those drainage issues, how terrible, we were super rainy this spring as well. Yes, I get the sulfur from Lowes, in a 50 lb bag, it looks like little yellow pellets. In my alkaline clay, everyone likes it! The shrubs, veggies, lawn, annuals everybody gets some, good thing its cheap!. Just throw it like chicken feed onto the ground, no need to use too much or work too hard. I do it may 3-4x a year. For the solid fertilizers I spread them all around the rose bush, and scratch it into to top 1” of soil with a rake, to stabilize and have contact with the soil. I get peonies online, better selection and nice size roots... A & D Peonies is one good source, there are others. Various plants enjoying their sulfur and fertilizer over the year: Flowering Peach Heavenly Blue Morning Glories (sulfur only, they don’t want it too rich) Bowl of Beauty Peony Tidal Wave Petunias Flowering Quince Double Take Scarlet Hardy Hibiscus Narcissus Geranium (very fragrant!) Tie Dye Clematis Redbud Don Egolf

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Reply to: Dylan I’m sorry about all those drainage issues, how terrible, we were super rainy this spring as well. Yes, I get the sulfur from Lowes, in a 50 lb bag, it looks like little yellow pellets. In my alkaline clay, everyone likes it! The shrubs, veggies, lawn, annuals everybody gets some, good thing its cheap!. Just throw it like chicken feed onto the ground, no need to use too much or work too hard. I do it may 3-4x a year. For the solid fertilizers I spread them all around the rose bush, and scratch it into to top 1” of soil with a rake, to stabilize and have contact with the soil. I get peonies online, better selection and nice size roots... A & D Peonies is one good source, there are others. Various plants enjoying their sulfur and fertilizer over the year: Flowering Peach Heavenly Blue Morning Glories (sulfur only, they don’t want it too rich) Bowl of Beauty Peony Tidal Wave Petunias Flowering Quince Double Take Scarlet Hardy Hibiscus Narcissus Geranium (very fragrant!) Tie Dye Clematis Redbud Don Egolf

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peony source

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mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)

I have never seen a Henry Hudson smaller than 6 ft. I've grown it myself, and I've seen several in other places. It's a nice rose. I like the Explorer rugosas a lot, but they are not small plants around here.

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Reply to: I have never seen a Henry Hudson smaller than 6 ft. I've grown it myself, and I've seen several in other places. It's a nice rose. I like the Explorer rugosas a lot, but they are not small plants around here.

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Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6

I agree with Paul. Mrs. Doreen Pike was one of the worst all around h. rugosas for me. Henry Hudson will stay well under 3' tall. There are some very good and accurate flower and bush shots of HH on Help Me Find Roses. Henry Hudson is more refined in flower and more uniform in moundng habit than the White Knock Out, formerly White Out. Moses

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Reply to: I agree with Paul. Mrs. Doreen Pike was one of the worst all around h. rugosas for me. Henry Hudson will stay well under 3' tall. There are some very good and accurate flower and bush shots of HH on Help Me Find Roses. Henry Hudson is more refined in flower and more uniform in moundng habit than the White Knock Out, formerly White Out. Moses

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ladybug A 9a Houston area

Speaking of other ways to enjoy roses, Jo Malone red rose perfume smells exactly like Mr. Lincoln to me. I have other sprays, but this one is surprisingly close. This is OT on top of OT for sure!

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Reply to: Speaking of other ways to enjoy roses, Jo Malone red rose perfume smells exactly like Mr. Lincoln to me. I have other sprays, but this one is surprisingly close. This is OT on top of OT for sure!

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Emily Yang 10B Scal

I love my Charlotte tree rose, this is her second year with me. Last year some how she didn’t give me any bloom at all. This year she is doing so well, just finished her first flush end of last month, now she having loaded of buds and new grow branches and so healthy. I think the bloom is last almost a week and for me I think her fragrance is not strong. The first and second photo was her first flush in May 19 The last photo was last week.

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Reply to: I love my Charlotte tree rose, this is her second year with me. Last year some how she didn’t give me any bloom at all. This year she is doing so well, just finished her first flush end of last month, now she having loaded of buds and new grow branches and so healthy. I think the bloom is last almost a week and for me I think her fragrance is not strong. The first and second photo was her first flush in May 19 The last photo was last week.

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'Charlotte' tree rose

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