Were they cartoon worms in a cartoon world?

where else would a cartoon worm be? ( grin )

The Rocky Show - Lazy Jay Ranch #4 Rocky Rides Again or Small in the Saddle

I missed that episode!

Unique looking!

Ive observed fastigation i a few veronicas;

Sunny Border Blue frequently has”divided” blossoms, Red Fox and Vernicastrom is notable for its varied ( i think ugly) flower forms

NHBabs- your NH garden was very wild-ish. Do you chafe at maintaining the suburban landscape?

DEE- sorry i cant find the post where we talked about giving you geranium macrorizzum. I used to know how to communicate personally - email- with people who shared their emails (somehow) . is there still that feature? ill look for it…

I see ”email” at bottom but you have to be in my contacts. you might be….

but you are not.i need your personal email or phone to text …

I feel like you all must live in another world. One without deer! The deer pressure in my NY metro area makes native plants very difficult to protect. In unfenced areas there is no regeneration of oaks for example. Wooded landscapes are dominated by invasives. We gardeners still are committed to restoring native plants but it requires a whole lot of strategy, and many compromises.

Gee I live in a fairly rural suburb - old farms, protected open space, patches of woods - and I have lots of wildlife, including deer. There's a deer path straight through my yard. I hardly ever see any deer damage to my natives. The sassafras is never touched, I have oak saplings, maple saplings, and lots of other small trees that I'm constantly removing from garden areas (they may not all be natives but I think there are cottonwood and juniper trees in there). The virginia creeper is never touched, nor the poison ivy, and I don't know if they are native or not, but lol the weeds are NEVER touched. Seems the only thing deer and other critters go for is my planted garden plants - hostas, daylilies, phlox etc. Maybe there are enough "cultivated yards" so that the deer have developed a fussier palate!

:)

Dee

I want to note theres been 62 posts since this thread started 9 ! years ago. I really value the long view it provided as well as a record of how a plant can ”catch on”

Ill mention again that in the US, Avant Gardens carries Has Halo. They are well priced and They ship. The plants I received are well packaged and arrive in good shape. I found they establish wuickly.

They have a smallish nursery in Dartmouth Ma a beautiful area of the state.

Yes….gorgeous

please tell us the process of collecting and propogstion

Thanks- it certainly sounds doable for any level gardener with an attention span better than mine! your garden is an inspiration . Glad you here to encourage us ever onward and upward!

Yes really gorgeous variation! The peachy tones are lovely and there are not nearly enough plants within that palette. All of them are terrific.

Thanks Marie, with the very wet summer conditions being as is this year, am finding it challenging to keep my spirits up and especially upon noting just how extreme the weather is acting out globally! There's a good group here, but unfortunately having much dwindled for all too many moving on in one way or the other.

Claudia, I suspect 'Prairie Splendor' growing nearby contributed the pollen, thus also lending the additional seedling vigor.

Peren.all, yes, most are keepers, especially so the unique ones and those of nice peachy tones, a real color favorite!

Where did you find Sum and Substance has magenta or cranberry flowers, Jay? Ive grown it for 25 yesrs and see it all the time at nurseries, and thats not how i describe the flowers.

perhaps the discrepancy is in naming the color not the actual color.

I just looked at google images and some buds appear to be reddish purple. But actual blooms are all in varying shades of lavender. Have I missed some moment in hosta breeding?

Your image is what I see on google. i think the flower colors are all in shades of lavendar or some might say purple. For laypeople describing and naming colors is very subjective

Hey @Jay 6a Chicago, I thought of you when I spied my Woodland Sunflower the other day. It is past its prime but it still makes me happy showing yellow in low light:

Baby Joe is looking good, I wonder how tall it will get(?).

@arbordave (SE MI), good question. I am confident that it is fully mature now at less than 5 feet in height.

Great photos everyone! Thanks for sharing. The past week has been very wet. A lot of plants flopped over. The weeds are crazy.

Rouge, the Woodland Sunflowers here are just beginning to bloom. I like your Helianthus giganteum Dave. I'm growing a new sunflower this year it's Helianthus petiolaris. I thinned out my Kankakee Mallow too much and lost it. I still haven't been to Langham Island where it comes from. There's a group that's restoring the island. I l8ke that Kankakee Mallow doesn't need constantly moist soil. My Hibiscus laevis does need constantly moist soil.

The Helenium and Iris domestica are beautiful. I love Sanguisorbia but I've never grown it. I tried it from seed once long ago.

Eastern Swamp Milkweed, Asclepias incarnata var pulchra

Horsetail Milkweed, Asclepias subverticillata

Virginia Snakeroot, Endodeca/Aristolochia serpentaria var convolvulacea

Monnier's Snow Parsley, Cnidium monnieri

The Climbing Prairie Rose is putting on a lot of growth. They can grow into huge beasts.

My future shade tree.

Blue Mistflower, Conoclinium coelistinum

2 bumblebees diving into Clematis pitcheri

Hog Peanut, Amphicarpaea bracteata

This is a Clematis offset and it's geometric form is incredible.

This is Price's Potato Bean, Apios Priceana

It is federally endangered and extremely rare. This Apios forms 1 large tuber.

This is Groundnut, Hopness, Potato Vine, Apios americana. This is the fertile diploid race. A lot of the Apios americana in the midwest is the sterile triploid race. Apios americana makes about 20 tubers anually, so the sterile race can still spread into new areas.

Hi Roxanna

Do i recall correctly you live in MA?

if so, which nursery?

thanks,

marie

Me too @porkchop_z5b_MI ie I love HJobert. I just cant get it to thrive for more than few years.

Take a look here @roxanna:

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/1672424/1st-year-review-of-anemone-wild-swan

(I was so excited when "Wild Swan" was brought to market way way back.)

Sounds like pokeweed twice.

I design my gardens but I take all my inspiration from Mother Nature.

Out in nature. A Sumac,(Rhus) species. I don't use Rhus in the garden because of it's tendency to form groves. I do however grow Devil's Walkingstick, Aralia spinosa which is just as agressive, but more favored. I've known for a long time that Sumac is used as a spice in the middle east, and it's widely known as the main ingredient in the spice blend za'atar. I never dreamed the native Sumac could be used as a substitution. If you stick a ripe Sumac seedhead in your mouth you will discover the most delicious sweet and tart taste.

A prairie out in nature. Echinacea purpurea, Ratibida pinnata, Solidago canadensis and various graminoids.

Aquatic inspiration. Native Lotus, Nelumbo lutea.

In the dappled shade of a Bald Cypress, Virginia Waterleaf, Hydrophyllum virginicum, Common Blue Violet, Viola sororia, Jacob's Ladder, Polemonium repens, False Nettle, Boehmeria cylindrica, Leatherwood, Dirca palustris, Spikenard, Aralia racemosa, Elm-leaved Goldenrod, Solidago ulmifolia, American Ipacac, Gillenia stipulata, Bowman's Root, Gillenia trifoliata, Large-leaved Aster, Eurybia macrophylla, Brown Eyed Susan, Rudbeckia triloba, Blue Eyed Grass, Sisyrinchium angustifolium, Climbing Prairie Rose, Rosa setigera.

Hollow Joe Pye Weed, Eutrochium fistulosum, Purple Milkweed, Asclepias purpurascens, Wood Nettle, Laportea canadensis, Brown Eyed Susan, Rudbeckia triloba,Clearweed, Pilea pumila, Sweet Cicely, Osmorhiza claytonii, various asters, Stinging Nettle, Urtica dioica, Common Blue Violet, Viola sororia.

Yellow Baptisia, Baptisia tinctoria, Partridge Pea, Chamaecrista fasciculata, Leafy Prairie Clover, Dalea foliosa, Black Eyed Susan, Rudbeckia hirta.

Hydrangea arborescens, Little Bluestem, Schizachyriym scoparium, Flowering Spurge, Euphorbia corollata,Tall Verbena, Verbena hastata, Partridge Pea, Chamaecrista fascicularis.

They have moved the swamp rose mallows from Hibiscus to Muenchhusia. This Halberd-leaved Swamp Rose Mallow is now Muenchhusia laevis. The more widely used Hibiscus moscheutos is now officially Muenchhusia moscheuta. 👀🏃‍♂️

The reclassification was done after DNA analysis showed that the cold hardy North American Hibiscus species were not closely related to the type species which is Hibiscus syriacus. The new name is fairly easy to remember for me, the double H's make it easier to remember. This is for scientific purposes so feel free to keep using the synonym Hibiscus, I like to alternate them myself. There's also a Hibiscus moscheutos var lasiocarpos, oe sometimes Hibiscus lasiocarpos. It's now officially Muenchhusia moscheuta var lasiocarpa or Muenchhusia lasiocarpa.

For the rudbeckia take a look at "American Goldrush".

https://www.waltersgardens.com/variety.php?ID=RUDAG

Or a smaller one ” ”viette’s Little Suzy” gets good reviews for disease residtence.

-Kevin, interesting your kiusianum hasn't gotten bigger than three inches! Does it put on a good show of flowers though?? I also found placing my 'Evening Star' difficult, since it is such a delicate plant and probably easy to crowd out or overshadow with larger/showier shade plants! I ended up planting mine along the border of my front shade garden with some other 'mini' shade plants like Aslenium trichomanes and 'Moonlight Treasure' Tricyrtis.
CMK

lets start with the basics. We are given a substantial list of plants that failed and we should figure out why.

Are there any water sucking trees nearby, such as maples on your side or the other side of the fence?

whats the soil like?

Does it have a “ History” ? that might be affecting its fertility?

what have you done to improve it?

whats its waterholding capacity-dig a 6-8 ” hole,then fill it with water,; see how long it takes to drain, poke a ruler or dowel down to see how deep the water penetrated.

have you ever had the soil tested to see how much organic matter there is?

if youve already done these things and your information says something should live there, the only thing that cime to mind is lack of water. For instance Even though astilbe is a tough plant it needs regular watering. just because an areas shady doesnt n mean it that ” should” remain damp. thats why theres that entire area in the nursery for ” dry shade”

very curious what your actual conditions are there. personally, i wouldnt spend a penny on plants until I could be sure the environment could support them , or that you have the time time and energy to get them established

marie

Sensible suggestions, Marie. IF ferns have dried out and didn't make it through the winter, you might consider soaker hose on this area and cover it with mulch. Really a 2-3" layer of bark mulch over everything would improve the moisture of the soil there.

But I agree with Marie, IF you really want to do it once and be done with it, I'd do enough investigation to determine if that area has everything plants will need to thrive. Then you can decide how much effort, and money you want to invest to provide it, if it is lacking in anything.

Barb how good to see your name! i would have expected clematis motivate you to write. i remember yiur wild and happy clems in back of the house and next to high stone foundation! Hope you are thiving in Wisconson. As (some) say ” Dont be a stranger”

Rouge, here is my Huldine. I have not had a problem with Japanese beetles.

Here is Betty Corning. This beauty blooms for at least 3 months here. Small lavender blooms such a long season. My flat trellises couldnt hold the weight without leaning in the strong winds here. These are on 3d arches.

Sherry

You threw out some numbers then called it 158.26 liters. that shakes out to 42 gallons or 5.6 cu ft . Just ask a nursery for 6 cu ft raised bed mix. Most nurseries sale compost,mulch and soil bulk which is less expensive than bagged.

Thanks,Klem1

I agree the water soluable plantskdd is truly repellent. thats why ir works. i would not buy the concentrate- too much work To mix and you look like an axe murderer after youve mixed it.

In my garden in my location the granular works. It is organic but not vegetarian-iit is cows blood. - or pig? Do we care if it keeps deer and rabbits away?

Ah! I wasnt paying attention. Thanks for the clarification @NHBabs z4b-5a NH.

I am all in on growing plants that provide nectar for these amazing creatures as I do not like the routine of having to wash thoroughly my man mad feeders.

Having said that I just ordered this unique feeder:

https://annashealthyhummingbird.com/

Now that my Monarda patch has started to fade, they have moved on to a pot with a trailing white verbena. Just noticed today as I was grilling. I don't know how often they hit that pot as it's not in a spot I can see from inside.

Heruga- can you tell me more about patrina?

this is its second year in my garden and it is nearly 2 feet at the base which is bigger than expected. it bloomed this spring which was strange. after cutting it back it is starting to send up flowers again. I dont know what will be flowering with it by time it blooms. I think from land of giants we might have NY aster (6 feet tall with purple flowers) maybe boltonia, hibicus I’ll just have to wait and make a note that i can find next spring. (fat chance)

@peren.all Zone 5a Ontario Canada, as you know I wish we were closer to you as clearly your gardens, even in pictures, are wonderful. In person they would be incredible.

Thank Dee & pm!

I wish we were closer too rouge!

Speaking of things that can get away, is it possible i see persicaria Lance Corporal in the lower right? Its a leaf or two with a redish chevron.

It's not Vernonia lettermannii, it's an Amsonia tabernaemontana vollunteer.

That's an interesting guess, Jay, but, I have that Amsonia in the yard and would recognize it. And the plant and placement of it lines up with me planting something there last year. And if it was the Amsonia it would have bloomed much earlier in the season. This one hasn't bloomed yet.

I guess I will wait and see. I'll take a photo when it does bloom.

Thanks!